How should pastors address the issue of race in their churches? This is exactly what Andrew and Alastair are talking about with Dr. Matthew Kim on this episode. Dr. Kim has both academic expertise and practical experience with this issue. He is a contributor to Ministers of Reconciliation: Preaching on Race and the Gospel. In this conversation you will learn about preaching the Gospel in a climate of racial tension, the boundaries of the act of preaching, and advice for pastoring diverse congregations.

Mere Fidelity is sponsored by Lexham Press, featuring the Mere Fidelity Book of the Month for August, which is also the subject of this episode: Ministers of Reconciliation, edited by Daniel Darling. You can save 40% on this book with the promo code MEREFIDELITYAUG21.

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This episode of Mere Fidelity is also sponsored by our friends at Western Theological Seminary, a Reformed seminary in Holland, Michigan, where friends of the show like Todd Billings and Wesley Hill teach. Western is committed to helping its students engage in the work of racial reconciliation and justice, and has two new scholarship opportunities available: the Samuel Williams Award for Faithfulness in Justice and Reconciliation, which is a full-tuition scholarship awarded to an M.Div. student of color, and the Justice and Reconciliation Awards, which are worth 75% of tuition for up to three students. If you’re interested in either of these opportunities, visit Western’s website at to learn more.


Book of the Month AND Scholarship Opportunities [0:00]

Dr. Matthew Kim and His Work [1:55]

Should pastors preach about racial reconciliation? [6:09]

More Than Just Sermons [15:34]

Emotional Intelligence in Church [17:49]

Sourcing Stories in Scripture [20:41]

The Biggest Obstacles to Talking About Race [25:04]

An Example of Doing It Well [32:52]

How can the church participate in the world’s conversation on race? [36:03]


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  1. Gregory Martha Herr, Obl.S.B. August 12, 2021 at 7:35 pm

    At a practical level, if listeners are Catholic and in/near Orange County, Ca, the Knights of Peter Claver (KPC) and Ladies Auxiliary are forming. You may find us on Facebook or contact me directly. All Catholic men, women, and children over the age of 7 are welcome and invited to join.

    From the Archdiocese of Baltimore:

    “The Knights of Peter Claver was founded Nov. 7, 1909 in Mobile, Ala., by four Josephite priests and three lay men. During this time in U.S. history, people of African descent were not allowed to join existing fraternal Catholic organizations…In addition to lay persons, the membership also includes members of religious communities, priests, bishops, archbishops and cardinals throughout the United States. Cardinal William H. Keeler , Archbishop emeritus of Baltimore and the Father Edward Chiffriller, major superior of the Josephites, are fourth degree members of the Knights of Peter Claver.

    The Knights of Peter Claver’s primary purpose is to render service to God and his holy church, render aid and assistance to the sick and disabled, and promote social and intellectual association among its members.”


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