And, we’re back.  After a long break, Mere Fidelity returns with a doozy.  We invited Joshua Ryan Butler on to talk about his new book The Skeletons in God’s Closet:  The Mercy of Hell, the Surprise of Judgment, and the Hope of Holy War

Listen in to our conversation and if you’re still not persuaded you should read the book, check out Derek’s review of it. Then go ye forth, take up, and read.

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Matthew Lee Anderson is the Founder and Lead Writer of Mere Orthodoxy. He is the author of Earthen Vessels: Why Our Bodies Matter to our Faith and The End of Our Exploring: A Book about Questioning and the Confidence of Faith. Follow him on Twitter or on Facebook.


  1. I added this book to my wishlist off a recommendation from Twitter, but forgot who. It was probably Derek and TGC! I got it for Christmas and finished it a little while ago. I thought it was great. It confirmed and strengthened my view of Hell and opened my eyes to how scripture talks about heaven and earth so much. The take on holy war was good too, it snapped that narrative into place, where it fits nicely with what I know of God’s character otherwise. The take on judgement was challenging, to be sure. It’s funny, at one point he claimed he doesn’t think the “who’s in?” question will depend on our evangelistic efforts. To me, this was simultaneously the logical conclusion of reformed election and a challenge to assurance of the saints. I like that about death and judgment, we can say with hope, “we don’t know, but God is good and we can trust him.” I might have to reread that part and think about it more.

    I will listen to this this week. :)


    1. Joshua Ryan Butler February 9, 2015 at 11:47 am

      Thanks so much Bethany! Really grateful for the feedback, and so glad you checked out the book and found it helpful.


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