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Kinism, Online Troll-Culture, and the Poway Shooter with Joe Carter

May 20th, 2019 | 2 min read

By Caleb Wait

Matt, Derek, and Alastair sit down with Joe Carter to discuss the ongoing cultural theme of online radicalization and how the church can respond.



Intro [0:00 - 3:00]

The motives of the Poway Shooter [3:43 - 4:50]

The definition of “Kinism” and its impacts on the church [3:43 - 9:00]

How teens are radicalized online [9:00 - 13:30]

How to recognize the signs of online cult-like dynamics and social contagions [13:30 - 16:13]

The difference between “healthy” online communities and “unhealthy” ones [16:13 - 18:50]

Clarifying terms on “Cultural Marxism” [20:00 - 24:17]

How to talk about these issues without the vitriol [24:17 - 29:21]

Should churches have a responsibility to proactively work on these issues? [29:21 - 43:00]

How to respond to people who feel that “a dogma is being forced their way” on these issues + Conclusion [43:00 - 47:33]

Resources mentioned:

7 Things You Should Know About The Evangelical Deep State

What Happened After My 13-Year-Old Joined the Alt-Right

Rotherham Child Sexual Exploitation Scandal

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Finally, as always, follow DerekAndrew, and Alastair for more tweet-sized brilliance. Thanks to Timothy Motte for his sound editing work. And thanks to The Joy Eternal for lending us their music, which everybody should download out of gratitude for their kindness.

Caleb Wait

Caleb Wait (MATS, Westminster Seminary California) is a writer and the producer of Mere Fidelity. He and his wife Kristin have two children and live in Northern California. You can follow him on Twitter @calebwait and he invites you to email him at