Joe Carter is the Jerry Seinfeld of Christian bloggers.

At Evangelical Outpost, he built up a considerable audience.  He wrote for National Review, NPR, and then was handed a book contract.  Where other, lesser writers might have enjoyed the view from the top, our friend Joe decided that he wanted to reinvent himself as an editor.

And has he ever.  He’s the web editor at First Things, and has made it one of my favorite places to visit online.  He’s one of the most interesting writers and thinkers I know, and while it’s not often that he gets behind the microphone, I managed to persuade him with the tantalizing promise of renewing our age-old debate over whether angels see green (trust me, they do).

To the show, then:  we argue about his book, How to Argue like Jesus, and while we don’t quite live up to the standards of the title, it is an informative discussion.  But before we get there, Joe gives me a brief tour about how writing a book goes (since I have no idea!).  At the end, we bring everything together by kicking around torture and the lack of substantive engagement on the issue by evangelicals.  And if that last point seems totally out of place, well, it is…until we get there and it kind of fits in with the rest of the conversation.

And if you would rather listen through iTunes, well, now you can!

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Matthew Lee Anderson is the Founder and Lead Writer of Mere Orthodoxy. He is the author of Earthen Vessels: Why Our Bodies Matter to our Faith and The End of Our Exploring: A Book about Questioning and the Confidence of Faith. Follow him on Twitter or on Facebook.


  1. Outstanding Matt – great to hear your voices and it was a terrific interview. There is so much there to chew on but that last segment on torture especially has me going. I had never heard the issue framed as bluntly as Joe stated it when he asked if we would desire justice, even if it meant losing our nation.


    1. Thanks, David…I appreciate it. I agree with you about how clearly he framed the issue. I should have done a whole episode talking about that…



  2. In which I argue with @joecarter888 about how to argue like Jesus.

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