This week, Derek and Alastair chat with Mark Jones. The discussion topic? Submission in the Trinity.
You may have guessed that this is the sort of show that comes with homework. You’re more or less right. Here are some background articles worth reading:
- Is it New? Yes. Is it Orthodox? No. – Scot McKnight explains the beginning of the recent dustup on the issue.
- The Battle Rumbles Along: The Trinity of Complementarians – Scot McKnight continues the archival work [With a special appearance in the comments by Alastair]
- Why did the Son become incarnate? Because he submitted? – Mark Jones
- God’s Will And Eternal Submission, Part One – Mark Jones
- The Eternal Subordination of the Son, Social Trinitarianism, and Ectypal Theology – Alastair Roberts
- The Trinity in Gender Debates – Fred Sanders
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Bruce McCormack has been presenting on the topic of the eternal humiliation of the Son for a few years now. His cv says that he’s working on a book, “The Humility of the Eternal Son: An Outline of Reformed Kenotic Christology” (The Thomas F. Torrance Lectures for 2007), and I wonder what that might add or take away from this conversation. I remember listening to one talk where he warned complementarians against someday using his work to support the complementarian position.
Thanks for featuring this issue. ESS has always struck me as a rather apparent departure from basic Nicene orthodoxy. It says something about the sorry state of evangelicalism when we’re willing to discard the Nicene creed in an effort to conjure up biblical support for hierarchical gender roles.
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[…] I would like to say something about the second person of the Trinity, prompted by an excellent podcast discussion at Mere Orthodoxy. While discussing the subordination controversy Derek Rishmawy used a […]