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# Mere Fidelity: Ross Douthat, on 'To Change the Church' - Mere Orthodoxy | Christianity, Politics, and Culture
- URL: https://mereorthodoxy.com/mere-fidelity-ross-douthat-change-church/
- Published: 2018-04-11T05:00:00.000Z
- Updated: 2026-05-18T16:20:59.000Z
- Description: New York Times columnist Ross Douthat joins Derek and Matt to discuss his new book, To Change the Church: Pope Francis and the Future of Catholicism. Douthat’s excellent new book explores the legacy of Pope Francis and the crisis within the Roman Catholic […]
- Author: Mere Orthodoxy
- Tags: Matthew Lee Anderson

New York Times columnist Ross Douthat joins Derek and Matt to discuss his new book, [*To Change the Church: Pope Francis and the Future of Catholicism*](https://smile.amazon.com/Change-Church-Francis-Future-Catholicism/dp/1501146920/ref=sr%5F1%5F1?ie=UTF8&qid=1523450044&sr=8-1&keywords=to+change+the+church&ref=mereorthodoxy.com)*.* Douthat’s excellent new book explores the legacy of Pope Francis and the crisis within the Roman Catholic communion, and he joins us to discuss these matters.

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